The reason I said it was a super joke of the day is because I checked the link and there were three Hmong National Anthems on the web. The first Hmong National Anthem belonged to the Hmong Chinese in China. The second one is just a group of monkeys singing Hmong National Anthem. This one I believe was posting by the pro communist or who anti the Hmong Chaofa Movement. And the last one was the one that Mr. Seng Chidhalay posted in here. This one has no wording but just a single tune music. I believe someone posted in there along with the old Chaofa flag to make it funny.
I have followed the Chaofa movement for a long time. The word Chaofa was just a label by the LPDR. The official name for the Chaofa movement was: "the Ethnics Liberation Organization of Lao". This organization included many ethnic groups from Laos including Lao Lum, Hmong and Khamu. Way back in 1979, this organization got support by China. However, the leaders refused to accept the Chinese offer. So they joined the Anti Communist league /World League for Democracy. The leader came to Angola, Texas, and finally stationed in Thailand. The leaders got killed and the organization had been re-organized.
The Chaofa Movement is mostly active in the northern and central part of Laos. Their single mission is: "To Free Laos from the Communist Vietnam". So anyone who thinks the Chaofa movement tries to create another state in Laos is way off the mission.
The Vietnamese military was heavily involved in trafficking the timber to Vietnam. The forest cover in Laos has declined sharply over recent decades from over 60 percent in the 1960s to around 40 percent today. Posted: Jul 28, 2011 7:21 PM Updated: Jul 30, 2011 9:02 AM By DENIS D. GRAY
BANGKOK (AP) - Despite an export ban, Vietnamese companies are smuggling logs from the once rich forests of Laos to feed a billion-dollar wood industry that turns timber into furniture for export to the Europe and the United States, an environmental group said Thursday.
The London-based Environmental Investigation Agency alleged that the Vietnamese military was heavily involved in bribing Lao officials and then trafficking the timber on a massive scale to wood processing factories in neighboring Vietnam. This was denied by the government and military.
Laos, with some of the last intact tropical forests in the region, in 1999 slapped a ban on the export of raw timber and says it is expanding its forest cover. But there are widespread reports of rampant logging, often associated with the country's mushrooming dam projects and agricultural plantations.
"Vietnam is almost annexing areas of Laos to feed its own industries. The only winners in Laos are corrupt government officials and well-connected businessmen," Julian Newman, an EIA staffer, said at a news conference. The group focuses on environmental crime worldwide.
In an undercover operation in 2010 and 2011, the group said it tracked logs in Laos obtained by three Vietnamese enterprises as they made their way across the porous border to factories in Vietnam. It estimates the enterprises yearly smuggle some 8.8 million cubic feet (250,000 cubic meters) of wood worth some $80 million.
One of the three was identified as the Vietnamese Company of Economic Cooperation, or COECCO, an enterprise run by the Vietnamese army and headquartered in the city of Vinh. The company has been in the logging business in Laos for two decades, EIA said.
But officials for the company in Vietnam said it had a license from the Lao government to import logs, obtaining them in exchange for roads and irrigation projects it has built in the country.
The company announced on its website last month the opening of bids for more than 1.2 million cubic feet (34,000 cubic meters) of logged limber imported from Laos. The officials declined to give their names, citing policy.
The Lao government, as part of its 2020 forestry strategy, says that it will "strictly implement the export ban on logs and sawn timber." The ban is covered in a 1999 law and a number of subsequent government orders.
Commenting on the military company's imports, Newman said it may have engineered a "one-off deal" because of its close ties with powerful Lao officials.
International aid agencies in Laos frequently complain that provincial power brokers often make their own business deals with foreign companies, sometimes in contravention to central government laws and regulations.
Video shot by EIA showed trucks hauling piles of logs from Laos into Vietnam and featured both Lao and Vietnamese businessmen talking about bribing Lao government officials to allow the illegal exports. EIA says its investigators posed as potential buyers.
Laos' export ban is also routinely flouted by companies supplying the wood industries of neighboring Thailand and China, EIA said.
EIA first exposed the illegal cross-border trade in 2008 and said that little has changed on the ground since, although the Vietnamese government is moving toward some kind of control.
"By the time the deals (with EU and others) are signed, there won't be any forests left in Laos. Vietnam needs to get its act together and move quickly," Newman said.
The report released this week says Vietnam's booming timber industry, worth $4 billion a year in exports, drives illegal logging in Laos, which has some of the last intact tropical forests in the Mekong region.
Group Links Vietnam Military to Illegal Logging in LaosThursday, July 28th, 2011 at 10:30 am UTCPosted 1 day ago A London-based environmental group accuses the Vietnamese military of playing a key role in the illicit lumber trade between Vietnam and Laos. Environmental Group Links Vietnam's Military to Laos Timber ...
In a statement to VOA, a spokeswoman for Vietnam's Ministry of Foreign Affairs denies the country's military is involved in smuggling timber from Laos. The spokeswoman says Vietnam strictly forbids illegal timber smuggling and logging.
In 1997 Vietnam banned most domestic logging, and now imports 80 percent of its timber supplies.
The EIA report says timber imports have soared from $123 million in 2000 to over $1 billion in 2008.
Lao officials have said in recent months that they are stepping up efforts to halt the illegal timber trade. In June, Prime Minister Thongsing Thammavong issued an order to strengthen measures against illegal logging and timber smuggling.
But EIA says despite the laws, the situation is "chaotic and prone to corruption."
Forest cover in Laos has declined sharply over recent decades from over 60 percent in the 1960s to around 40 percent today.
28 July 2011 Last updated at 14:48 G
BBC South East Asia correspondent http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14328213 By Rachel Harvey July 28, 2011 5:21 AM
Lao forests feeding Vietnam industry, group says (AP) BANGKOK — Despite an export ban, Vietnamese companies are smuggling logs from the once rich forests of Laos to feed a billion-dollar wood industry that turns timber into furniture for export to the Europe and the United States, an environmental group said Thursday. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/28/ap/asia/main20084628.sht
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 06:01:50 -0700 From: bounkhong_arounsavat@yahoo.com.au Subject: Re: Home works To: laosnetworkroom@googlegroups.com
Sabaidee Specom,
Good Question.
Wait and see the filing the Genocide case at the Hague wit ICC and ICT then something will change. "CAN CHANGE."
It is not possible to allow Vietnam control Laos because many international communities are still on the side of Lao democracy group. Do our best, form a harmony leader group and use the Press Releases to speak on all Lao behalf.
Best Regards, A. Bounkhong
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "specom2009@comcast.net" To: Laosnetworkroom Cc: Boune Liane ; Johnanouvong Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 11:14 AM Subject: Home works
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Settha Viravong To: freelaos@yahoogroups.com Cc: laos-solidarite@yahoogroupes.fr Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:37 AM Subject: Re : [freelaos] ພາບນີ້ຄືຂ່າວແທ້
Il ne faut surtout pas révéler de vérités génantes concernant la diaspora laotienne sinon la censure s' appliquerait immédiatement envers son auteur.
En effet il y a de celà un certain temps, j' avais dénoncé le mensonge éhonté d'un personnage du forum ( M TOUXOUA ) qui a fait croire à toute la diaspora laotienne (via son blog ) qu' il était allé porter plainte au Tribunal Pénal International contre les hauts responsables du Laos pour crime contre l' humanité... Et lorsque sur internet, je lui ai demandé de nous donner le numéro de la plainte en question, il était bien embêté de le fournir puisque ce qu' il a déclaré avoir effectué, s' averait être un pur mensonge...
Ceci est juste un témoignage pour dire qu' il n' y a pas de véritables libertés d' opinions sur ce forum ,car depuis cette révélation, le forum m' est interdit d' accès. ( cf ci dessous )
US Assistance Aims at Preventing Cross-Border Conflict in Mekong Region Mekong River and tributaries sustain tens of millions of people in Southeast Asia, but river is also site of several controversial new hydropower projects.
Brian Padden | Jakarta
Photo: AP A Cambodian man walks on a bridge from his fishing wooden boat at Mekong river bank near Phnom Penh, Cambodia, July 27, 2011 Although the dispute about conflicting claims in the South China Sea took center stage at the recent ASEAN security forum, U.S. officials also focused on addressing another potential conflict relating to Asia’s growing energy needs. The Mekong River and its tributaries sustain tens of millions of people in Southeast Asia, but the river is also the site of several controversial new hydropower projects.
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton came to the recent security forum of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations in Bali to say the United States intends to remain engaged in the political and economic development of the region. As part of that effort, she talked about how Washington is fostering responsible development through a $221 million U.S. assistance program in the Lower Mekong River Basin.
The money will used to fund education, environment, health and infrastructure programs in underdeveloped areas in Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, and Vietnam.
The U.S. Ambassador to ASEAN David Carden says the United States is concerned about the impact of several large hydropower projects that some environmental groups have warned could seriously affect key waterways in the region.
“The dams that are being proposed and some that have already been built have not at this juncture been fully vetted as to what their scientific impact is," he said. "And it is not only this region but indeed in the interest of the world for food security purposes, for environmental purposes, for peace and security purpose, for the development of the Lower Mekong to happen intelligently and consistent with the best science that can be brought to bear on it.”
More than 60 million people live in the Lower Mekong Basin, an area of more than 600,000 square kilometers. It is the world's largest inland fishery. Rice farmers also depend on water and sediment from the river to irrigate and fertilize their crops.
But there is growing concern that the construction of hydroelectric dams in China and plans for more dams in Laos and Cambodia could cause significant environmental and economic damage in lower Mekong countries like Vietnam.
Ambassador Carden says the U.S. assistance is broadly aimed at providing aid to help maintain peace and security in a region where there is a potential for cross border conflict.
“I think that the simple truth is, whatever any motivations anybody wants to attribute to these efforts, I think it is clearly the case that the world, not just the region, the world recognizes the need for all of us to work together to address these border-less problems,” said Carden.
But Milton Osborne, Southeast Asia analyst with Australia's Lowy Institute for International Policy says the U.S. engagement in Asia is motivated in large part by concern about China's growing influence.
“The continuing rise of China in economic terms is clearly a concern for the United States and this is one, the Mekong initiative is one of several ways the United States is making clear that it is continuing to have a broad interest in this part of the world,” said Osborne.
Osborne says the aid money does not give U.S. officials access to negotiate in any Mekong delta development negotiations, but it shows the United States is committed to play a constructive role in Asia's future.
Lao forests feeding Vietnam industry, group says Posted: Jul 28, 2011 7:21 PM Updated: Jul 30, 2011 9:02 AM
"By the time the deals (with EU and others) are signed, there won't be any forests left in Laos. Vietnam needs to get its act together and move quickly," Newman said.
By DENIS D. GRAY Associated Press BANGKOK (AP) - Despite an export ban, Vietnamese companies are smuggling logs from the once rich forests of Laos to feed a billion-dollar wood industry that turns timber into furniture for export to the Europe and the United States, an environmental group said Thursday.
The London-based Environmental Investigation Agency alleged that the Vietnamese military was heavily involved in bribing Lao officials and then trafficking the timber on a massive scale to wood processing factories in neighboring Vietnam. This was denied by the government and military.
Laos, with some of the last intact tropical forests in the region, in 1999 slapped a ban on the export of raw timber and says it is expanding its forest cover. But there are widespread reports of rampant logging, often associated with the country's mushrooming dam projects and agricultural plantations.
"Vietnam is almost annexing areas of Laos to feed its own industries. The only winners in Laos are corrupt government officials and well-connected businessmen," Julian Newman, an EIA staffer, said at a news conference. The group focuses on environmental crime worldwide.
Vietnamese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Nguyen Phuong Nga denied the allegations.
"There is no smuggling of timber from Laos by the Vietnamese military," she said. "Vietnam pays special attention to environmental protection, strictly forbids smuggling and illegal exploitation of timber."
She said all "smuggling and illegal exploitation of timber will be strictly dealt with in accordance with Vietnamese law. The governments of Vietnam and Laos have been and will be coordinating to prevent all smuggling activities including timber smuggling."
Hanoi has acknowledged in the past that its forestry industry is unsustainable and it is currently negotiating with the European Community to certify its exported wood products as having originated from legal sources.
Vietnam, which exports some $4 billion worth of wood products, banned domestic logging in 1997.
In an undercover operation in 2010 and 2011, the group said it tracked logs in Laos obtained by three Vietnamese enterprises as they made their way across the porous border to factories in Vietnam. It estimates the enterprises yearly smuggle some 8.8 million cubic feet (250,000 cubic meters) of wood worth some $80 million.
One of the three was identified as the Vietnamese Company of Economic Cooperation, or COECCO, an enterprise run by the Vietnamese army and headquartered in the city of Vinh. The company has been in the logging business in Laos for two decades, EIA said.
But officials for the company in Vietnam said it had a license from the Lao government to import logs, obtaining them in exchange for roads and irrigation projects it has built in the country.
The company announced on its website last month the opening of bids for more than 1.2 million cubic feet (34,000 cubic meters) of logged limber imported from Laos. The officials declined to give their names, citing policy.
The Lao government, as part of its 2020 forestry strategy, says that it will "strictly implement the export ban on logs and sawn timber." The ban is covered in a 1999 law and a number of subsequent government orders.
Commenting on the military company's imports, Newman said it may have engineered a "one-off deal" because of its close ties with powerful Lao officials.
International aid agencies in Laos frequently complain that provincial power brokers often make their own business deals with foreign companies, sometimes in contravention to central government laws and regulations.
Video shot by EIA showed trucks hauling piles of logs from Laos into Vietnam and featured both Lao and Vietnamese businessmen talking about bribing Lao government officials to allow the illegal exports. EIA says its investigators posed as potential buyers.
Laos' export ban is also routinely flouted by companies supplying the wood industries of neighboring Thailand and China, EIA said.
EIA first exposed the illegal cross-border trade in 2008 and said that little has changed on the ground since, although the Vietnamese government is moving toward some kind of control.
"By the time the deals (with EU and others) are signed, there won't be any forests left in Laos. Vietnam needs to get its act together and move quickly," Newman said.
'More dangerous' times ahead: WB Published: 13/08/2011 at 12:32 PM Online news:
World Bank chief Robert Zoellick warned of a "new and more dangerous" time in the global economy, with little breathing space in most developed countries as a debt crisis hits Europe.
World Bank chief Robert Zoellick has warned in a newspaper interview of a "new and more dangerous" time in the global economy, with little breathing space in most developed countries as a debt crisis hits Europe. Zoellick said the eurozone's sovereign debt issues were more troubling than the "medium and long-term" problems which saw the United States downgraded by Standard and Poor's last week, sending global markets into panic.
"We are in the early moments of a new and different storm, it's not the same as 2008," said Zoellick, referring to the global financial crisis.
"In the past couple of weeks the world has moved from a troubled multi-speed recovery -- with emerging markets and a few economies like Australia having good growth and developed markets struggling -- to a new and more dangerous phase," he said in an interview with the Weekend Australian newspaper, published on Saturday.
People were in less debt than during the credit crunch and current events did not have the same "sudden shock" factor, but Zoellick said there was less room to manoeuvre this time around.
"Most developed countries have used up their fiscal space and monetary policy is about as loose as it can be," he said.
Zoellick said the eurozone's structure "could turn out to be the most important" challenge currently facing the world economy, with some hope for Spain and Italy but debt-crippled Greece and Portugal unable to devalue.
European Union action taken to date "fall short of what is needed", the World Bank chief said.
"The lesson of 2008 is that the later you act, the more you have to do," said Zoellick, questioning whether the troubled European nations could "ever get ahead of the problems that have plagued them."
He also urged British Prime Minister David Cameron not to be deterred from austerity measures by recent riots -- the country's worst in decades -- saying his spending cuts were "really necessary."
"My concern would be if the politics knocked them off course," Zoellick said.
Markets swung wildly this week on rumours of a French credit downgrade over the debt crisis, which started in Greece and is now fuelled by fears Spain or Italy might default, sparking a break up of the 17-nation currency.
Investors are questioning whether France and Germany, the eurozone's two largest economies, can continue to underwrite other states' debts without losing their top credit ratings and falling victim to the crisis themselves.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 07:36:35 -0500 From: specom2009@comcast.net To: laosnetworkroom@googlegroups.com Subject: $33 per dog in Vietnam
ເຈົ້າຫນ້າທີ່ໄທ ໃຈດໍາ ບໍ່ຍອມໃຫ້ແກ້ວໄດ້ກິນໝາງ່າຍໆ(ຕລົກຊຶຊື່ເດີ) Dogs saved from dinner tables Posted by AGENCE FRANCE PRESSE on August 13, 2011 2Share
From: Bounliane Rajphoumy Date: 8/13/2011 10:55:56 AM To: laosnetworkroom@googlegroups.com Cc: specom2009@comcast.net; bounkhong.arounsavat2@gmail.com Subject: Re: Fw: Pleased do not cry
Mr specom,Mr Bounkhong....
Arriving at this present time...I aim my attention out of LPDR, because it is already clear that Laos is no more the real Laos. It is Vietnam obviously...Event the USA doesn't care either what Laos' going to be since Vietnam is already US allied...
Every movement,every srategy is no longer from the brain of LPDR leaders at all...In the body of administration in LPDR and its mecanisms of management are all Viet directives. As every body knows now,even the world communities have well known the Laos country has became an invalid country...
From: A. Bounkhong. To: laosnetworkroom@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 6:35 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Pleased do not cry
Mr Specom and all,
Lao PDR Government allows more foreigner companies to invest in the rubber plantation because LPDR wants to cover the issue of China and Vietnam already invested with more a million workers and now the rubber trees can produce to sell out.
Another reason, LPDR wants to shut the mouth of Lao Nork up and show the fairness to worldwide.
From: specom2009@comcast.net Date: 8/11/2011 8:10:49 AM To: Laosnetworkroom Subject: Pleased do not cry
Tiny land of Laos Communist now open to the worlds for rubber plantation: pleased do not cry Apollo Tyres leases 10000 hec in Laos for rubber plantation http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/apollo-tyres-leases-10000-heclaos-for-rubber-plantation_575472.html Best Regards, Specom
Royal Lao government in Exile (RLGE) is worthy descendant of former Royal Lao Government (RLG) before 1975, so we are the real heritors of Lao ancestors descended from ancient period of our history since Khoumborom, Khonlor until Fangum,the great 1353-1372, and in 1975, RLG was eradicated by the Vietnamese heritable of Le Leuy, Le than Tong and until Hochiminh which the Lao PDR today, as the traitor betrayed his country, his people and the Lao Kingdom RLG.
On May 6th 2003, the RLG was exclaimed in U.S.A as the RLGE ( Exile ) by the Patriotic Nationalist people of Laos who have stood up against the Lao National traitors, we are not the pretentious people of such politics until today. All of Lao people acknowledged that Lao PDR was born 1975 in this country for betraying their people and their nation, but RLG was born in 1947-49 for protection of Lao independence and national integrity. RLG had sacrificed a lot of assets and our happiness in the war from 1950-1973. A question ? who made the war against Lao country ? Those are Vietnamese soldiers with all of the Lao PDR, the Traitors.
We know, today Lao PDR is very worried about their future, about their faults, they bowed their heads to China for assistance in military roles in order to coverring their heads from the foot of Hanoi. They tried and tried to dismiss and to dismantle RLGE and separate Lao Nork everywhere by various political games. but the reality is that RLG or Lao Kingdom is not belonging to Hanoi and also this country is not belonging to Lao PDR which whose power came from the guns and stayed alive with a small group of family. We RLGE is the proxy of Lao people around the world as from Lao motherland RLG and the originals place of all Lao people. We are not the kinds of people with pretentious manner. We must sacrifice ourselves, our benefits of our family even if our lives for this country. Now We are asking all Lao people to collaborate and join hands in fighting with real actions. We don't care who will be the winners at the end, but for Laos.
English to French translation Chers tous les aspirants,
Royal du Laos gouvernement en exil (RLGE) est le digne descendant de l'ancien gouvernement royal du Laos (RLG) avant 1975, donc nous sommes les héritiers réels des ancêtres de Lao descendu de la période ancienne de notre histoire depuis Khoumborom, Khonlor jusqu'au Fangum, la grande 1353-1372 et, en 1975, RLG a été éradiquée par les Vietnamiens de Le Leuy héréditaires, Le plus Tong et jusqu'à Hochiminh dont la RDP lao, aujourd'hui comme le traître trahi son pays, son peuple et le Royaume du Laos RLG.
Le 6 mai 2003, le RLG a été s'exclama aux Etats-Unis comme le RLGE (Exil) par le peuple patriotique nationaliste du Laos qui se sont dressés contre les traîtres nationale du Laos, nous ne sommes pas des gens prétentieux de la politique telle jusqu'à aujourd'hui. Tous les Laotiens ont reconnu que le Laos était né en 1975 dans ce pays pour avoir trahi leur peuple et leur nation, mais RLG est né en 1947-1949 pour la protection de l'indépendance du Laos et de l'intégrité nationale. RLG avait sacrifié beaucoup d'actifs et de notre bonheur dans la guerre de 1950 à 1973. Une question? qui a fait la guerre contre le pays Lao? Ce sont des soldats vietnamiens avec l'ensemble de la RDP lao, les traîtres.
Nous savons, aujourd'hui, la RDP Lao est très inquiets pour leur avenir, sur leurs fautes, ils s'inclinèrent en Chine pour l'assistance dans des rôles de militaires afin de coverring leur tête depuis le pied de Hanoi. Ils ont essayé et essayé de rejeter et de démanteler RLGE et séparer Nork Lao partout par différents jeux politiques. mais la réalité est que RLG ou Lao Royaume n'est pas appartenir à Hanoi et aussi ce pays n'est pas l'appartenance à la RDP Lao, qui dont la puissance provient des canons et est resté en vie avec un petit groupe de famille. Nous RLGE est le mandataire du peuple Lao dans le monde comme la patrie de Lao RLG et la place des originaux de tous les peuples du Laos. Nous ne sommes pas le genre de personnes avec de manière prétentieuse. Nous devons nous sacrifier, nos avantages de notre famille, même si notre vie pour ce pays. Maintenant, nous demandons à tous les gens du Laos à collaborer et à se donner la main dans des combats avec des actions réelles.Nous ne sommes pas les soins qui seront les gagnants à la fin, mais pour le Laos.
Thailand’s new government Yingluck to the fore The new prime minister rides in with a fresh mandate but familiar problems
Aug 13th 2011 | BANGKOK | from the print edition
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POLITICS and publishing make good bedfellows. So it is only natural that Yingluck Shinawatra, Thailand’s new prime minister, is already the subject of several books rushed out since her Pheu Thai (PT) party won July’s elections. One title, “Female Knight on a White Horse”, is an Arthurian account of her journey, from political squire at the start of the campaign in May, to becoming Thailand’s first female leader. She leads a solid majority in parliament with a popular mandate and a six-party coalition to boot, quite unlike her hapless predecessor, Abhisit Vejjajiva.
Yet Ms Yingluck’s Thailand is a long way from Camelot. She inherits a slowing economy in a week of global financial panic, and takes the reins of a nation exhausted by five years of political turmoil. Her enemies are already cooking up legal reasons to dissolve PT and remove her from office. Royalist generals are digging in their heels ahead of an autumn reshuffle. Populists are prodding PT to carry out its ambitious agenda. Red-shirt activists want justice for their fallen heroes. In this section
* »Yingluck to the fore * Name and purpose to be determined * Weak fences, bad neighbours * Hot concern * Getting back its mojo * In the name of the father
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Then there is her elder brother and PT’s de facto leader, Thaksin Shinawatra, who was ousted by a military coup in 2006. Now in effect exiled in Dubai, Mr Thaksin chose Yingluck, 44, to ride the horse, a masterstroke that puts him closer to his dream of a glorious homecoming. The last time he tried, in 2008, when another proxy party held power, it ended in disaster. He may be more patient this time. But he still expects a return on his investment. Scrutiny of Ms Yingluck’s 35-member cabinet, appointed on August 10th, has largely turned on Mr Thaksin’s role in its selection.
Investors will be cheered by the background of its economic ministers, who include former heads of the stock exchange and its regulatory agency. Other positions went to PT insiders, political veterans and coalition partners. Remarkably, no red shirts made it into the line-up. The new foreign minister, Surapong Towijakchaikul, is a surprise pick. He had served as chairman of the committee on foreign affairs, and it surely did not hurt that he married into the Shinawatra family. His first job should be to calm tensions on the Thai-Cambodian border, where Mr Thaksin’s friendship with Cambodia’s prime minister, Hun Sen, could come in handy.
Ms Yingluck insists that the buck stops with her. She says she wants to govern in a spirit of compromise, and so far has eschewed direct attacks on her political opponents. Speaking when she received the royal command on August 8th (pictured above), she said she wants to “return happiness back to our brothers and sisters.” She promised to listen to all opinions and to use feminine qualities of “strength and gentleness” to solve the nation’s problems.
Getting anywhere with her economic platform will require the gift of persuasion. PT campaigned on a pledge to raise the minimum wage to the equivalent of $10 a day and to double salaries for new civil servants. Business groups complain that such an increase—a 50% raise, on average—is impractical and would trigger lay-offs. As a sweetener, corporate taxes are to be cut from 30% to 23%. But tax cuts benefit mainly large companies, which tend to pay higher wages, not the small, family-owned firms with thinner margins.
Increased wages and the near doubling of rice subsidies, as well as infrastructure projects, will add to inflationary pressures. The Bank of Thailand has already warned that its 3.25% policy rate is too low, and most investors have priced in further rises by year-end. A recession in America could upset these calculations. But with public debt at 42% and over $200 billion in foreign reserves, Thailand can afford further stimulus. Whether this extra spending leads to real economic growth or a new distribution of wealth is another matter.
Ms Yingluck will need to mind more than just the opposition. She also has to strike a balance in her own camp, between politicians focused on the usual spoils of office and red-shirt supporters bent on retribution for last year’s mayhem in Bangkok, in which 90 people died in an army-led crackdown. Some want to put Mr Abhisit on trial. The army has ignored calls to account for its killing of unarmed protesters and bystanders. Prosecutors have shied away from the army’s offences and instead chased up red-shirted arsonists. Their attention may start to shift now that their political bosses have changed.
But Ms Yingluck appears wary of aggressive moves that could provoke a hostile army. She says she will support an independent committee set up by Mr Abhisit last year to investigate the protests and their fallout. That committee faces the nearly impossible task of attributing blame for Thailand’s worst political violence in a generation. It will struggle to make progress unless it has subpoena powers over army officers and red-shirt leaders, some of whom are now MPs.
Ms Yingluck’s caution may disappoint PT supporters. Some want her to show the door to General Prayuth Chan-ocha, the army chief, a staunch royalist who urged voters before polling day not to elect “the same people”, ie, Thaksinites. Embarrassingly, most of the army’s rank-and-file ignored his advice. The reshuffle set for October may reward pro-Thaksin officers who have been sidelined since the 2006 coup.
General Prayuth’s hawkish views reflect those of Queen Sirikit, his patron. Her destructive partisanship, particularly towards yellow-shirt protesters in 2008, has been a public-relations disaster (amply detailed in American diplomatic cables obtained by WikiLeaks). As ailing King Bhumibol, now 83 years old, fades, Sirikit increasingly resembles Empress Dowager Cixi, the reactionary ruler of the late Qing dynasty. Neither Sirikit nor her playboy son, Crown Prince Maha Vajiralongkorn, enjoys the respect given the king. As in imperial China, a privileged few appear blinded to the social changes outside the palace walls.
Most red shirts are well versed in the palace’s meddling in politics. No wonder, then, that many have concluded that the royalist elite and its enforcers stand in their way. Mr Abhisit’s premiership suffered from the perception, rightly or wrongly, that he did the bidding of this elite and cared too little about the lives of ordinary voters. Despite having enjoyed the advantages that go with incumbency, his Democrat Party failed to make headway in the countryside and received a drubbing on the national party-list vote. Yet still it re-elected Mr Abhisit, a well-spoken Old Etonian, as its leader on August 6th.
This does not bode well for a party that has now lost four straight elections to pro-Thaksin parties. In other democracies, politicians might conclude that it was time for new blood in their leadership. For the Democrats, it is also time for a less blue-blooded approach, the better to appeal to Thailand’s farmers and workers.
In chess, the king and queen are the most important pieces on the board. But knights are capable of fancy footwork. Thailand is waiting to learn what a female knight can do.
Last couple of weeks I traveled to Quebec city(Canada),I met a Lao nationalist like us.He suspected that the Vietnamese students might used Lao students' grant to come to study abroad because,he said,that the past five or six years he did not see Lao student coming to Quebec any more. Could you investigate this matter from our source in Laos? Regards,
Thank you for good points in your comment below...smart...
From: Antoine keodara To: "laosnetworkroom@googlegroups.com" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:40 AM Subject: Re:
Sabaidee Mr. Bounkhong,
First and foremost I just want to make some sense here so that all khon Lao don't need to criticize each other for whatever the reason may be. If anyone think that he or she can do a better job then please go ahead do it. Does it benefit for the khon Lao people or just individual? By pointing fingers, say this and say that does not really make any result here. It only bring each and everyone down and definitely is not a Lao way of thinking. Please keep in mind that RESPECT is and always will be a two ways street. Live and lead by example !!!! Please do not ignore many new ideas, possibilities, and opportunities to make thing better, smarter, and more suitable for everyone to deal with. I am not a politician nor a lawyer, but just have a common sense that would like to share with everyone so that we are not heading blindful in the wrong path in the last 36 years. What kind leadership do we have today taht will lead Laos back to her freedom and prosperity? How can we do it together? Here's my motto: If one door shut and definitely more doors will be open for a better tomorrow. Learn, live, laugh and do the best that you can. May I leave with you with this old saying "Walk the talk and don't just talk and do nothing about it! " Please ask what you can do for Lao people and don't ask what Lao people can do for you?
Actions will always speak louder than words can describe!!! Freedom is wonderful thing to have, but you must earn it!!! If you really want to learn something then you must put your heart, mind, and soul into it!!! Listening is a greatest tools and is very cheap that everyone can afford it!!! Just like the old saying.... Pou sorn larn leu va larn sone pou???
Khobjai lai lai, Antoine Keodara
Sabaidee members,
My duty is pick up some news to publish in the forum and thank you Mr Santy and Mr Souk to find the interest and necessary news to publish here as well.
I believe the info from Mr Antoine can be clarified about the VOA news. I have received many feedback from members whom were OK to publish Laos news here but some were against it.
Our team made the consideration to publish some and ignore some news such as the increment of the salary in Laos up to 16% to cover the inflation cost. We do our best and only Laosnetworkroom and Freelaosnetwork are the Lao nationalist forum as a central communication of Lao Nork non-pro Neo Lao.
We can send the Voice of Laotians Overseas to the worldwide if our team intends them to know it. If any countries have the Laos desk in their foreign department want to know about the reality of Laotians Overseas -non pro Neo Lao and the reality in Laos so they can find some information in the laovoice.net as our team already published long time ago therefore our laovoice.net is plain in English for the international matter. This is opposed with the Lao PDR net as laovoice.com.
We always accepted members talking Lao in the forum that is great for us to understand better. And we also appreciated members talking in French and English here because we can resume the discussion or the idea of our member to do the Voice of Laotians Overseas for showinf to the worldwide.
Best Regards, A. Bounkhong.
VOA news
As for the VOA news broadcasters, they are doing the best that they can to get the news out to all khon Lao inside and outside the country. Thank you for doing a great job and sharing the wonderful programs with many khon Lao around a globe. The last time I check that VOA employees are working directly for US government and definitely not Lao communist!!!! Please stop being negative and change your mind set otherwise we are going no where and definitely won't know where to begin!!!
I think ,it's no problem for a Thai person like Blacksaphire to write his Thai.. but shame Lao by blood from Laos do not know how to write mother language. ພາສາ ບອກຊາຕ ມາຣະຍາຕບອກ ຕະກູນ...ເຖິງວ່າ ພາສາລາວ ບໍ່ມີມາຕຖານ ເຂົ້າຢູ່ ວົງສາກົລກໍ່ຕາມ ແຕ່ ເຮົາຕ້ອງໄດ້ໄຊ້ ເພາະມັນ ເປັນ ຂວັນແລະກໍາລັງໃຈ ໃຫ້ແກ່ເຊື້ອຊາຕລາວ...
Sabaidee Mr Black Saphire and all,
We discuss about Thai Language here to clarify about the request of members in this forum that no meant discrimination to our members..
Usually, members in this forum intended to unify for discussion how to do something to help Lao people who have no voice in the Lao country. This forum has no neo Lao, neo Keow and no people -pro - government PDR regime. Therefore the Lao nationalists and Lao patriots are unhappy about the text.
Most of Lao patriots leaders are in the freelaosnetwork forum and Laosnetworkroom forum and Laodemocracy forum. They unified in the Lao harmony group but they split the working group in the different way to fight for democracy in Laos because the locations are not in the same city, state and same country. but they have the central communication as net. We cannot compare with the individual people who have not joined in any Lao organisations because they are free in the democracy country. And we cannot count neo-Lao, Pro -Lao PDR government in the harmony.
If any group gets the support from international community that group should lead all Laotians abroad.
Your text contents the strong messages that can be useful to publish in other forum and confirmation not in Laosnetworkroom forum. We can talk politely and it is useful for all that one it is a great job. The repeat the happening in the past does not help our members but it makes them up set to remind their bad history about Lao people. The idea of some aged person is similar a computer and if we use computer for many year then we turn computer on and waiting for after that we can use. So we have upgrade the computer and the idea too. From where the news happen on the daily basis or refresh memory.
2. Introduction In the last decade the Lao People’s Democratic Republic (Lao PDR) has transformed itself into a provider of natural resources (timber, agricultural products, minerals, and energy) for its wealthier and more populated neighbours China, Vietnam and Thailand.
Land (including forest land) has become an important resource for industrial use and commercial crop production, and demand for land has been dramatically growing. In the forestry sector, investment (including forest land use investment) in crop and tree plantations, especially large scale investment in the form of state land concessions is rapidly increasing and various conflicts related to land use and concessions have been reported (MAF, 2007). Control over land became a new magnet for private investors. Food and financial crises combined have turned agricultural land even more into a new strategic asset. Chinese officials visited Vientiane in November 2008 seeking to lease 1 million ha for rice, and Middle East states tried to secure 200,000 ha for their own food production. National governments and corporations seeking agricultural concessions in Lao PDR are not a new development, but the large increase in interest during the past few years has put these investments in the spotlight. Regulations Domestic and foreign investors can obtain land via long-term state land leases, concession contracts and 2+3
modes of contract farming. According to the Land Law different authorities are in charge depending on the land size: Land size Authority 3 – 100 ha Province authorities 100 – 10,000 ha Central Government/Prime Minister > 10,000 ha Approval by the National Assembly
4.5 National policy Through the National Socio-Economic Development Plan (NSEDP) 2006-2010, the Lao Government wants to promote foreign direct investment in the agriculture, hydropower and mining sectors to foster growth, reduce poverty and achieve the Millennium Development Goals. Commercial crop/tree plantations are one of GoL’s priority areas for promotion of foreign investments. The current forest sector strategy by 2020 anticipates an area of 500,000 ha of industrial tree plantations in Lao PDR by the year 2020. Lao PDR is now experiencing the 3 rd tree plantation boom while the 1 st boom was in mid 90s with mainly teak planted by small farmers and 2 nd in early 2000s with mostly eucalyptus led by the ADB’s loan project. However, this 3 rd boom is much larger in scale and more diverse in species than the past two booms. Not only large investors both foreign and domestic but also farmers are converting their fallow land to rubber, agarwood and teak plantations. Transnational companies are establishing and/or looking for land for fast-growing pulp-wood plantations to feed their paper-mills abroad (MAF 2007)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Souk Thasy To: Laosnetwork Sent: Fri, June 17, 2011 1:44:10 AM Subject: Chinese officials visited Vientiane in November 2008 seeking to lease1 million ha for rice
Chinese officials visited Vientiane in November 2008 seeking to lease 1 million ha for rice, and Middle East states tried to secure 200,000 ha for their own food production.
Chose you best Choice.
Please tick one. ( a. b. c. d )
I believe Lao patriots can calculate how many people working in the rice field:
a) 1 people in 1 ha so Chinese can work in the rice field in Laos. Should be 1.5 million people.
b) 3 people in 1 ha so Chinese can work in the rice field in Laos. Should be 2 million people.
c) 5 people in 1 ha so Chinese can work in the rice field in Laos. Should be 5 million people.
d) 10 people in 1 ha so Chinese can work in the rice field in Laos. Should be 8 million people.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 07:42:23 -0700 To: blacksaphire@hotmail.fr From: notification+zrdoircdpfvz@facebookmail.com Subject: Nouveaux messages de Norman Sylaphone
Norman Sylaphone
DEAR MR BLACK SAPHIRE: YOU ARE A SPECIAL MAN FOR ME AND FOR ALL LAO NOK PEOPLE IN OVERSEAS, WHO ARE LOOKING AND FIGHTING FOR CHANGE LAOS INTO FREEDOM AND FREE DEMOCRACY, LIKE IN THAILAND AND IN USA..THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND YOUR GENEROSITY IN PUSHING LAO PEOPLE IN GENERAL TO WAKING UP, SEE THE ENNEMIES INVASION LAOS AND OCCUPIED LATER...LAO LEADERS IN OLD REGIME ARE NOT ACTIVE IN POLITICS AND CANNOT IDENTIFY, FRIENDS OR ENNEMIES...THAT IS WHY, THEY LOST POWERS AND FLED TO DIE IN THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES...NOW, THE LAO NEW GENERATION ELSEWHERE,ARE WAKING UP AND LOOKING THE WAYS TO FIGHT FOR CHANGE, BUT NEEDS TIME TO ORGANIZE, PLANNINGN AND TAKE ACTION WHEN THE TIME IS COMING..WE HAVE EMPTY HANDS AND MANY LAO PEOPLE INSIDE AND OUTSIDE ARE BLIND AND SLEEPING, ALSO WATCHING THE VIETNAMESE EXPLOITING LOG WOODS AND TRANSPORTING MINERAL RESOURCES TO VIETNAM...LAO LEADERS ARE SELFISH, GREEDY, CORRUPTED, FASCIST, TOTALIST, REGIONIST, BETRAYED THEIR OWN HOMELAND, ARRESTED AND KILLING THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS AGAINST THEIR REGIME OF DICTATORSHIP...FROM 1975 UP TO THE PRESENT TIME......THEY ARE ANIMALS, UNHUMAN AND LICKING/KISSING VIETNAM ASS DAY BY DAY, RICHER AND WEALTHY FROM FATHERS TO SONS..LEAVE LAOS AND THE PEOPLE BEHIND IN POVERTY...WE DO LEARN THE LESSONS FROM THAI PEOPLE/RED SHIRTS MOSTLY, HOW TO ORGANIZE AND HOW TO FIGHT FOR CHANGE PEACEFULLY...IT WILL TAKE TIMES, MAY BE LONG YEARS TO WAIT FOR CHANGE. PLEASE HELP US TO PROMOTE AND TO ENCOURAGE LAO OVERSEAS TO WAKE UP, STAND UP IN WORLD STAGE AND FIGHT FOR CHANGE LAOS IN NEW DEMOCRATIC SYSTEMS FOR THE PROSPERITY LAO PEOPLE AND THE LAOS NATION..ANY COMMENTS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW...SORRY TO WRITE IN ENGLISH...CANNOT TYPE IN LAO OR THAI...LAOVANGMAI
Historique des conversations Norman Sylaphone 14 juillet 19:31
DEAR MR. BLACK SAPPHIRE: PLEASE WRITING IN LAO BETTER THAN THAI IF YOU ARE LAO NATIONALIST..AGAIN, TALKING AND EXPRESSING IS EASY TO DO FOR MANY FREEDOM FIGHTERS IN OVERSEAS....TELL ME WHAT GROUP ARE YOU BELONG.. AND WHAT DID YOU DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY IN ACTION IN THE PAST..? I TOLD MANY LAO NOK, ASSEMBLE IN SMALL GROUP OF TEN WITH TOP POLITICAL ACTIVISTS, OPEN DISCUSSION IN PRIVATE ROOM, MEETING WEEKLY, SET UP PLAN AND STRATEGY TO FIGHT AND TO PROMOTE THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS, ETC...REMEMBER, THIS GROUP OR THE OTHER GROUP OF TEN OR LESS OR MORE HAS TO JOIN AND HAVING THE SAME STRATEGY AND IMPORTANT IS TO SACRIFICE WITH MONEY AND ALSO LIFE WHEN TIME NEEDED...IF NOT, NOTHING HAPPENED AND CHANGE..NOW, WHAT I SEE, ALL FREEDOM FIGHTERS ARE HIDING AT HOME AND NOT DISCLOSED THEMSELVES AND LACK OF TRUST EACH OTHER.....RIGHT....?......................ANY COMMENTS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.. LAOVANGMAI Black Saphire 14 juillet 22:56
Dear Mr Black Saphire: Thanks for your reply..You are good person to talk with...I know that you want to help lao people and Laos country away from the dictatorial regime and the neighbors expansionists needed to take over lao indirectly day by day...but lao leaders in Spp lao are now betrayed and lao people in general ( outsiders and minsiders ) are still sleeping and scared to fight for change...Cannot compare with thai people or vietnam people, they are active, brave , agressive and having ambition to change or fight for news ideas all the time..Look at the past history, Vietnam became colony before Cambodia and Laos, then fighting to be satellite of communism than Laos and cambodia. Now vietnam is running after USA but still keeping dictatorial regime..Cambodia has multi-parti system to run the country but controlling by hun sen, puppet of vietnam.Thai Siam in the past or Thailand now, they always said, they never became under any foreigh colony at all, but they worked for somebody/USA during vietnam war for money and smart to profit all benefits from the war...Lao people in general are not dump, but need peace and soft from traditions and culture aspirations...You talked asked them to change and fight for change indirectly, telling them the past history from Lao Lanexang era until Laos today...Laos territory became smaller and smaller because of neighbor expansionism and lao people in general are lasy to fight for change, Lao SPP lao leaders are greedy,corrupted, selfish and regionalism by heritage..However, It is hard to change the mentality of lao people who are easy people who are looking to survive day by day..Lucky for lao overseas who have better life, self sufficient, looking for fun and closed their eyes to look back home and support for change..May be you are the only one who can help and change Laos in many ways based to your philosophy and your doctrines..Hoe to hear from you and for Any comments, please let me know.. Laovangmai Norman Sylaphone 15 juillet 08:18
DEAR M. BLACK SAPHIRE: MAY BE WE CAN TALK TOGETHER ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID ALL THE TIMES ABOUT LAOS...I DO NOT KNOW IF YOU CAN DISCLOSE YOURSELF AND GIVE ME YOUR SKYPE NAME, AND A/C, ETC...AND THEN WE CAN CHALLENGE FOR MANYTHINGS FREELY, TALKING WITH SKYPE A/C IS FREE...HOPE YOU KNOW THAT, E-MAIL IS NOT SOMETIMES PRODUCTIVE IF YOU ARE REALLY WANTY TO SHARE THE ISSUES...ETC.. LAOVANGMAI Black Saphire 15 juillet 10:55
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U.S. kills Taliban insurgents who downed SEALs' helicopter "John did not die for free. They have got the authors but the master mind who supplied the weapons still need to be identified." We are proud of him, a new generation of Warriors
By Laura King and Ken Dilanian, Los Angeles Times August 11, 2011 Reporting from Kabul, Afghanistan, and Washington— The retribution wasn't long in coming.
An American airstrike killed the Taliban insurgents whose attack caused a helicopter crash that killed 22 Navy SEALs and eight other U.S. service members, military officials in Kabul and Washington said Wednesday.
However, Marine Gen. John R. Allen, the U.S. commander in Afghanistan, told reporters at the Pentagon that the main Taliban leader in the area remained at large. He did not identify that insurgent commander, the hunt for whom set in motion the events that led to the crash of the CH-47 Chinook helicopter on Saturday.
Military officials had said previously that the helicopter went down as the SEALs were rushing to aid fellow elite troops. They were identified as U.S. Army Rangers who had come under insurgent fire while on a night raid in pursuit of a Taliban target, one of the hundreds of such special-operations raids now taking place each month across Afghanistan.
Special operations forces tracked down a group of "less than 10" insurgents and called in an airstrike from an F-16 fighter jet, Allen said. NATO's International Security Assistance Force in Kabul said the strike took place early Tuesday in the Chak district of Wardak province, close to the area where the Chinook helicopter was shot down.
Among those killed was a senior operative in the area and the man whose fire, apparently with a rocket-propelled grenade, brought down the chopper, the military said.
The downing Saturday of the CH-47, which killed seven Afghan commandos in addition to the 30 American troops and an interpreter, represented the worst loss of military lives in a single incident in the nearly 10-year-old war.
The senior Taliban operative killed in Tuesday's raid was identified as Mullah Mohibullah, described as a "key facilitator" of Taliban attacks in the Tangi Valley, about 60 miles southwest of Kabul. He had about a dozen fighters under his command, the military said, and had replaced a Taliban leader who had been killed in an earlier U.S. operation.
Mohibullah and his group of fighters were located after an "exhaustive manhunt" in Wardak, with tips from villagers, according to the military statement. It said the insurgents were trying to flee the country, presumably to Pakistan, when the U.S. raid occurred.
The North Atlantic Treaty Organization force said the airstrike was called in after insurgents were tracked to a wooded area, and that no civilians were hurt in the bombardment. The Afghan police chief in Wardak, Gen. Abdul Qayum Baqizoi, said his forces had aided in intelligence-gathering that led to the U.S. strike.
Although the military said insurgent fire is presumed to have caused the downing of the helicopter, it also said the precise cause of the crash remains under investigation.
"While it has not been determined if enemy fire was the sole reason for the helicopter crash, it did take fire from several insurgent locations on its approach," the ISAF statement said.
Allen declined to answer questions about the decision to have so many elite troops aboard a single craft. Because of its size, the Chinook presents a vulnerable target, particularly when taking off and landing.
He also declined to discuss why elite SEALs were sent in to help the Ranger force, saying only that they were part of the mission and that using them was the right decision at the time.
According to officials the team included 17 SEALs, five Navy special operations troops who support the SEALs, three Air Force troops, a five-member Army air crew and a military dog.
laura.king@latimes.com
King reported from Kabul, Afghanistan, and Dilanian from Washington.
Just for your information!!! All you need to just highlighted the whole paragraph then use Bing translation to either French or English as you wish. As for Lao to English translation, it is work in progress as I am speaking and soon you will be able to use it just like any other language with Google translation.
Moreover, if khon Lao really want independent and do its own thing then they must get rid of Vietcong and Check Nao that staying in Laos. Such a shame to see the evil regime run the country down the drain and ofcourse they don't care about their country any more.
From: "laosavanh@gmail.com" To: Laosnetworkroom Cc: Black Saphire Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2011 3:28 PM Subject: RE: [freelaos] L'armée vietnamienne serait impliquée dans la contrebande de bois
From: Phoui Date: 8/9/2011 4:43:23 PM To: freelaos@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [freelaos] L'armée vietnamienne serait impliquée dans la contrebande de bois
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De : freelaos@yahoogroups.com [mailto: freelaos@yahoogroups.com ] De la part de koupranom abhay Envoyé : dimanche 7 août 2011 18:07 À : freelaos@yahoogroups.com Objet : [freelaos] L'armée vietnamienne serait impliquée dans la contrebande de bois
De : black saphire À : freelaos@yahoogroups.com Envoyé le : Dim 7 août 2011, 17h 41min 21s Objet : RE: [freelaos] L'armée vietnamienne serait impliquée dans la contrebande de bois
To: Groupe_Vethi_Paxathipatay_lao@yahoogroupes.fr ; laos-solidarite@yahoogroupes.fr CC: freelaos@yahoogroups.com From: phoui@free.fr Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 08:38:03 +0200 Subject: [freelaos] L'armée vietnamienne serait impliquée dans la contrebande de bois
Cher Blue max, Je sais pertinemment que de quoi s’agit l’histoire de notre pays, je suis toujours réveillé et j’ai observé avec l’attention les événements qui traversent notre pays. La guerre américaine et les bombardements au Laos n’est pas qu’une épisode de l’histoire, c’est un crime contre l’humanité que malheureusement dans ce monde inégal n’arrive pas à punir ces seigneurs de guerre et ces gendarmes du monde. Le Laos est malheureusement toujours soumis aux étrangers, quelque soit les voisins proches ou lointains, Le roi Chao Anouvong a perdu la guerre contre les siamois n’est pas parce qu’il avait pas de moyen, mais il a été trahi par les siens, d’abord, Chao Ouparadtisa (ເຈົ້າ ອຸປະຣາດຕີສະ), n’était pas d’accord avec Chao Anou et dénonçait aux siamois la tentation d’attaquer Krungthep de Chao Anou, le Royaume de Champassak et le Royaume Luangprabang ne bougeaient pas pour l’aider. Avec la force supérieure des siamois, l’armée de Chao Anou a subi une grande perte, et il est obligé de se refuser au Vietnam sous le règne de Minh Mang. Cette petite parenthèse de l’histoire du Laos résume la mentalité de nos lao, il manque terriblement ce que j’appelle le patriotisme, (ຄວາມຊາຕນິຍົມ), les critiques sont champions, mais que peut on faire : RIEN Hélas !!! Il ne faut pas oublier que pendant la colonisation des français, la guerre du Vietnam avec les américains, quoi de bon avait obtenu le peuple lao ? S’il n’ y pas que de la souffrance, tendre les mains pour mendier de l’aide étrangère, aujourd’hui, le Laos soulève un peu de la tête économiquement grâce aux investissements étrangers, cela ne veut pas dire que tout est parfait dans le pays, le peuple lao a beaucoup donné pour arriver petit à petit, pourquoi a-t-on le droit de critiquer les migrants lao qui partent dans les pays voisins pour essayer de trouver du travail ? Pourquoi utilise-t-on les médias pour abaisser notre propre peuple quand il s’agit d’un petit group de personne qui a été trompé par les mafias thaïs pour les mettre dans le pétrin de la drogue et de la prostitution ? Si vous regardez un peu plus loin de la presse, bien entendu au-delà de la presse française, vous constaterez l’ambition guerrière du Vietnam, l’achat les 6 sous-marins russes avec un budget de 22 Mus$, équiper son armée de l’air avec les avions de chasse russes. Avec cette ambition guerrière, le Laos, c’est quoi pour eux ? Je me rappelle toujours une citation chinoise : « il faut mieux être compacte comme de l’argile que d’être un tas de sable ». Cordialement Phoui
De : Groupe_Vethi_Paxathipatay_lao@yahoogroupes.fr [mailto: Groupe_Vethi_Paxathipatay_lao@yahoogroupes.fr ] De la part de blue max Envoyé : dimanche 7 août 2011 04:01 À : groupe_vethi_paxathipatay_lao@yahoogroupes.fr Objet : [Groupe_Vethi_Paxathipatay_lao] Re: L'armée vietnamienne serait impliquée dans la contrebande de bois
Je suis ravi que vous vous réveilliez enfin. La guerre américaine n'était qu'une épisode de l'histoire qui datait plus loin que l'époque de Minh Mang qui refusait d'aider Prince Anou.
Mieux vaut tard que jamais. Le Laos est en danger de mort. Le Vietnam n'a jamais fait ami avec personne, ni la Chine , ni la Russie , ni la France. Il joue maintenant les US contre la Chine. Son but est d'annexer notre pays sans que personne puisse venir au secours. Seul le Japon est notre ami sans intérêt.
Le Laos est lié avec les US plus de 60 ans, avec la chine, avec la russie. Les guerres nous étaient imposées par les voisins.
Les dirigeant savent très bien l'intention du Vietnam mais ils sont noyés dans les dettes qui celui ci réclame sans cesse, chaque jour l'amitié est renouée ou réclamée. La population part volontairement vers la Thaïlande laissant le vide pour les immigrants clandestins.
From: Phoui To: laos-solidarite@yahoogroupes.fr ; Groupe_Vethi_Paxathipatay_lao@yahoogroupes.fr Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 4:25 PM Subject: [Laos-Sol] L'armée vietnamienne serait impliquée dans la contrebande de bois
L’armée vietnamienne serait impliquée dans la contrebande de bois http://www.lepetitjournal.com/bangkok/actu-en-bref-bangkok/83126-laos--larmee-vietnamienne-serait-impliquee-dans-la-contrebande-de-bois.html
ຂ່າວຮ້າຍ ສໍາຣັບຄອບຄົວ ດວງດາຣາ ທີ່ສູນເສັຍ ສມາຊິກຄອບຄົວ John Douangdara, ໃນເຄື່ອງບິນ ເຮຣີຄອບເຕີ້ ຕົກ, ນຶ່ງໃນຈໍານວນ ກອງໂຈນພິເສດElite NAVY SEAL's ສັງຫານ ບິນລາດິນ.
A Lao immigrant family in the United States says one of their members was among the 30 U.S. Troops who died last week in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan. http://blogs.voanews.com/breaking-news/2011/08/10/lao-immigrant-family-learns-son-died-in-afghan-helicopter-crash/
World Bank Freezes Loans to Cambodia Over Lakeside DevelopmentTuesday, August 9th, 2011 at 7:50 am UTCPosted 21 hours ago The World Bank said Tuesday it will not issue any new loans to Cambodia before the government resolves a dispute with citizens displaced by a lakeside development in Phnom Penh.
Country director Annette Dixon confirmed to reporters that the lending institution has not made any loans to the country since December and will not do so until an agreement is reached with the residents of Boeung Kak lake.
Thousands of families are being displaced by the 133-hectare development, which involves filling in the lake. The project is being handled by a private company headed by a ruling party politician and a Chinese firm.
Residents are asking to be allowed to settle on a portion of the site rather than be resettled outside Phnom Penh. They have staged several demonstrations in front of City Hall, often clashing with police.
Government spokesman Phay Simphan said officials are not concerned by the announcement. He said the bank is overstepping its authority and, in any case, its loans are “no longer appreciated” by the government.
The bank said the decision will not affect its current projects in Cambodia. According to its website, it has more than 20 active projects involving more than $400 million in funding.
The bank acknowledged in March that it had not properly protected the lake's residents when it participated in a nationwide land titling program a few years ago.
Ouest-France / Bretagne / Lannion / Louannec / Archives du samedi 06-08-2011 « Pour obtenir le visa de Peng, quelle galère ! » - Perros-Guirec samedi 06 août 2011 Antoine Menger expose ses clichés au palais des congrès. Les bénéfices sont destinés à financer une opération chirurgicale que doit subir une adolescente laotienne à Brest.
Antoine Menger expose, jusqu'au 15 août, des photographies, « Regards du Laos », au palais des congrès, au profit de l'association Bokéo-Trégor.
Depuis plusieurs années, le docteur Antoine Menger partage sa vie entre le Laos et Perros-Guirec, où il est médecin généraliste. Il a créé l'association Bokéo-Trégor pour « venir en aide aux populations de la province du Bokéo, en République démocratique populaire du Laos, en matière de santé et plus particulièrement auprès des enfants ». Dans le cadre de ses études, Antoine Menger a effectué un premier voyage au Laos, en 1973.
Il est tombé sous le charme de ce pays. En 1974, il y retourne pour des raisons humanitaires, notamment dans la province de Bokéo qu'il fait découvrir à travers des photos, fascinantes et criantes de réalisme.
Opération à Brest
À chaque voyage, il apporte avec lui sa trousse de médecin et des lots de médicaments. Durant ses séjours, il dispense des soins, bénévolement. De chaque séjour, il rapporte une série de photos qu'il expose et vend. Les bénéfices sont reversés à Bokéo-Trégor.
Regard du Laos revêt un caractère particulier. Ces regards permettront à une Laotienne de 16 ans, Peng, atteinte d'une tumeur de la langue, de venir de faire opérer en France. Antoine Menger l'a rencontrée dans le village de Ban Xang, « un village sans électricité, ni latrines », a rencontré Peng.
Devant ce cas, inopérable dans le village, le médecin perrosien a décidé de la faire transporter à Brest, dans un service spécialisé. « Quelle galère administrative ! Pour obtenir le visa, il a fallu que je fasse appel aux hautes autorités de l'État, Alain Juppé, ministre des Affaires étrangères, et Claude Guéant, ministre de l'Intérieur », raconte le médecin, qui finance, lui-même, l'opération chirurgicale (entre 12 000 à 15 000 €).
Après sa convalescence, l'adolescente retournera dans son pays « car, sa vie est là-bas », dit le docteur. Les bénéfices de l'exposition seront reversés à Bokéo-Trégor. La photo est vendue 40 € (reçu déduction d'impôt).
Jusqu'au lundi 15 août, une exposition de portraits et de villages, réalisée par Antoine Menger, Regards du Laos, se déroule au palais des congrès, au profit de l'association Bokéo-Trégor. De 15 h à 19 h.
There are 200,000 political prisoners in the 6 jails ( Re-education camp ) in North Korea.
North Korea is Number one of the world to put their own population in the jail up to 200,000 people.
Nub thu,
Bounthanh
From: "specom2009@comcast.net" <specom2009@comcast.net> To: Laosnetworkroom <laosnetworkroom@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, 9 August 2011 10:29 PM Subject: North Koreans fleeing severe food shortages and poverty,
THAILAND: North Koreans escape from hunger
CHIANG SAEN, 9 August 2011 (IRIN) - Thailand is fast becoming a transit country for North Koreans fleeing severe food shortages and poverty, authorities say.
There are 200,000 political prisoners in the 6 jails ( Re-education camp ) in North Korea.
North Korea is Number one of the world to put their own population in the jail up to 200,000 people.
Nub thu,
Bounthanh
From: "specom2009@comcast.net" <specom2009@comcast.net> To: Laosnetworkroom <laosnetworkroom@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, 9 August 2011 10:29 PM Subject: North Koreans fleeing severe food shortages and poverty,
Close to 1,000 North Koreans have crossed over this year
CHIANG SAEN, 9 August 2011 (IRIN) - Thailand is fast becoming a transit country for North Koreans fleeing severe food shortages and poverty, authorities say.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "specom2009@comcast.net" To: Laosnetworkroom Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2011 7:48 AM Subject: VietNamNet Bridge
Top Lao leader warmly welcomed in Vietnam VietNamNet Bridge – Vietnam ’s Sate, National Assembly and Government leaders met separately in Hanoi on August 8 with Lao Party General Secretary and State President Choummaly Sayasone. ທ່ານຈະເຫັນຂ່າວປະເພດນີ້ທຸກວັນໃນໜ້າ ໜັງສືພິມລາຍວັນຂອງລາວ ແລະແກວ, ຊຶ່ງເປັນການສແດງໃຫ້ເຫັນເຖິງຄວາມຜູກພັນແບບຟ້າວຮີບທີ່ສຸດຂອງແກວ ເພື່ອ ຈະໄດ້ເປັນເຈົ້າຂອງປະເທດລາວແບບເປັນທາງການແລະເປີດເພີຍໂດຍໄວທີ່ສຸດ. http://english.vietnamnet.vn/en/politics/11681/top-lao-leader-warmly-welcomed-in-vietnam.html
President Truong Tan Sang and Lao Party General Secretary and State President Choummaly Sayasone. (Source:VNA)
THAI-LAO LIGNITE Laos ordered to pay Bt1.7 bn in damages By Nalin Viboonchart The Nation Published on August 9, 2011
The US Federal Court in New York recently confirmed a Malaysian arbitration award in a dispute between Thai-Lao Lignite and the Laotian government over the Hongsa power-plant project, requiring Laos to pay damages of US$56 million (Bt1.7 billion) plus interest.
"Although the New York court's ruling is not the end of the dispute and the government of Laos can appeal, we hope that the government will fulfil the obligation and pay for the claim," said James Berger, a lawyer from Paul, Hastings, Janofsky & Walker, representing the company.
The 1.9-gigawatt Hongsa power plant as well as Banpu and Ratchaburi Generating Holding (Ratch), which own 40 per cent each of the project, will not be affected by the court's ruling, an analyst said yesterday.
Thai-Lao Lignite's concession for the Hongsa project was cancelled by the Laotian government after construction could not meet the agreement. Banpu took over the concession.
Berger said the company had submitted a letter to the Laotian government asking whether it intended to pay the damages voluntarily, but there has been no response.
The US court judgement is promptly enforceable. If Laos does not follow the ruling, Thai-Lao Lignite will be forced to commence proceedings to execute the judgement.
The damage claim plus interest so far adds up to $65 million, Berger said.
An analyst said the court's ruling would not affect the Bt94-billion Hongsa power plant or Banpu's and Ratch's operations. Construction of the plant is on track and it is expected to commence generating electricity in 2013.
Thai-Lao Lignite also sued Banpu in 2007, claiming that Banpu and its subsidiaries gained access to information on the Hongsa coal-mine concession and won the project after the Laotian government terminated the concession with Thai-Lao Lignite, which then asked for damages of Bt63.5 billion.
However, Thai-Lao Lignite was blamed by another report for not being able to proceed with development, leading to the Lao government's decision to terminate the concession.
A Thai lawyer for the plaintiff said the lawsuit against Banpu would take more time to reach a resolution.
The hearings from the plaintiff side are expected to be wrapped up next month, then the court will start hearings with the defendant. Thai-Lao Lignite had asked Banpu to compromise but they could not reach an agreement.
Chanin Vongkusolkit, chief executive officer of Banpu, has said the Hongsa project will not be interrupted by the litigation, as it is being developed by Hongsa Power Co, not Banpu alone.
I do not think so. LaoNork are working closely Four or Five people a day but the other members are ready to speak up at all time. If there is any subject interesting come through.
Lao Nork Suh! Suh !
Best Regards, A. Bounkhong
2011/8/8 blue max
พี่ทำไมพูดอย่างนั้นล่ะ
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "specom2009@comcast.net" To: Laosnetworkroom Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 1:13 PM Subject: ประเทศลาวของพวกท่านในปัจจุบันนี้ มันไม่ไช่ประเทศของคนลาวแล้ว
This is apart of the complaining of Lao Nork and International organisations. This is the best way to push Lao PDR to do something against Vietnam. 08-05-2011 ແຂວງຈໍາປາສັກຍຶດໄມ້ເຖື່ອນໄດ້ ເກືອບຮອດ 5 ແສນ ແມັດກ້ອນ ທາງການລາວຢຶດໄມ້ເຖື່ອນໄດ້ຫຼາຍກວ່າ 840,000 ເມັດກ້ອນ ແລະຈັບກຸມຜູ້ກະທໍາຜິດ ໄດ້ເຖິງ 106 ຄົນ ເຊິ່ງມີຄົນຫວຽດນາມແລະຄົນຈີນລວມຢູ່ນໍາ ໂດຍທັງໝົດກະທໍາຜິດ ຢູ່ໃນແຂວງຈໍາປາສັກ.
ทั้งๆ ที่ผู้เขียนมีหนังสือและผลงานตีพิมพ์เป็นภาษาไทยมากพอสมควร แต่หนังสือ “วิกฤตการเมือง ประชาธิปไตย เราจะโค่นอำมาตย์อย่างไร” เป็นเล่มแรกที่สามารถเขียนอย่างตรงไปตรงมาได้ โดยไม่ ต้องระวังกฎหมายหมิ่นกษัตริย์ เนื้อหาในเล่มนี้คล้ายๆ หนังสือภาษาอังกฤษของผู้เขียนสองเล่มคือ A Coup for the Rich (2007) และ Thailand’s Crisis and the Fight for Democracy (2010) แต่กลุ่มเป้าหมายที่ผู้เขียนเล็งไว้ในใจ ในการเขียนหนังสือภาษาไทยกับภาษาอังกฤษจะต่างกัน ดังนั้นเนื้อหาจะต่างกันบ้าง
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Please stay focus and pursue the main mission and objective in this forum. How can we work together and reunited as one Lao group of people from various background, political party, believes, and education? If we cannot do that yet, I don't think this will get us anywhere farther except back to a drawing board.
Let me see Laos history trend:
Laos was under SIAM (THAI) Colonization for more than 200 years. Laos was under French Colonization for almost 63 years. Laos will be under Vietnamese communist power for how long?
Laos will still be under someone else power and she will never get her very own independent. I think there's much more for all of us to learn from our past history so that we do not make the same or worse mistakes again. Freedom is not cheap and we must earn it. if we are not doing anything about it and I am sure this history trend will be repeating for sure...
How come we like to criticize our our people and put each other down? It's good if you can use a positive criticism by supporting and helping promote our very own people? It all start with you and it can grows outward. No one is perfect nor expect to be a perfect leader to lead our Lao people. Moreover, we can all make it happen and believe in our dreams and vision that Laos will be free at last. No body will help us not unless we are helping ourselves.
Where do we start? It all starts with you and me and everyone else in this forum or group. We must work together in harmony and peace. We must learn how to forgive and forget and moving on with the same common goals and practice. If we cannot return to our beloved country then start helping your community that you are living at today. I see so many wonderful talents people and some are very well educated people in this forum that can lead and have the full potential to make thing happen for Laos. Please don't be afraid to share your feeling, motion, and opinions with these people in this group.
We should be proud of our own personal achievement, family, rich culture, and wonderful heritage that we have.
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From: lxenexai@hotmail.com To: laosnetworkroom@googlegroups.com
I agree with and support Ms. Stieglitz's statement - categorizing, profiling...won' bring us to anywhere. I encourage all of us to be objective and rational; notwithstanding our difference [in many ways] we are Lao - now let's start with the common ground and common interests. We may not agree certain points, and yet we can work together for the good, the best of Laos and the Lao People. Beware that a categoric and systematic rejection won't bring any thing at all - only cooperation and collaboration will open doors and windows and pave the way to a better tomorrow for Laos and the Lao People.
We talk 'Democracy' - we want Laos to be free from Vietnam's domination - but we only deal with our own feelings without daring to work together; external ennemies can be repelled, but inner ennemies are deadly and suicidal.
We are good at categorizing, can we get all of us to see each individual as a human being with rights first? Also please see below. I appreciate very much those who have communicated in English.
The world wide recognises 3 main groups of Lao people: 1/ Lao PDR is people living in the country. There are 2 groups: a) Lao - communist b) Lao - non communist. 2/ Lao oversea. There are 2 groups: a) Lao refugees or Lao overseas. big font: this is two groups. I am Lao overseas b) Spy or Communist members on the refugee status. Sigh, I have a big sigh on this because seeing and interacting with Lao NY NJ PA CT, many of us were roped to communism out of ignorance, came over when we recognized the injustices and still have family and friends in Laos in govt positions. When can we let go of "communist?" as a word? One is a spy = ultimate goal is to do harm. Good spy = action for the highest good? Possible. 3/ Lao people workers in Thailand. There are 3 groups. a) Good job as migration workers. b) Bad job, hard work get less wages. c) No luck, human trafficking, sex slaves, working under drug gang.
How can we help Lao people in the 3 ( c ). ? Who will respond them ? If you can help, what way can you do ?
Le monde entier reconnaît 3 principaux groupes de personnes Lao: 1 / République démocratique populaire lao sont les gens vivant dans le pays. Il ya 2 groupes: a) Lao - communiste b) Lao - non communiste. 2 / d'outre-mer Lao. Il ya 2 groupes: de réfugiés) ou Lao Lao à l'étranger. b) Spy ou des membres communiste sur le statut de réfugié. 3 / peuple lao travailleurs en Thaïlande. Il ya 3 groupes. un emploi) Bon comme les travailleurs migrants. b) d'emploi Bad, le travail acharné obtenir moins de salaires. c) Pas de chance, traite des êtres humains, esclavage sexuel, de travail en vertu des gangs de drogue.
Comment pouvons-nous aider les gens à Lao dans le 3 (c). ? Qui va les répondre? Si vous pouvez aider, quoi pouvez-vous faire?
ສນັ້ນຂໍໃຫ້ທ່ານທັ້ງຫລາຍທີ່ອ່ານຄຳເຫັນນີ້ແລ້ວຈົ່ງໃຫ້ຄຳຕອບໄປຍັງສູນ Moderator ໂດຍດ່ວນ.ທີ່ ຜຂ ກ່າວມານີ້ມີສ່ວນຖືກບໍ່? ຂອບໃຈຫລາຍໆ
Best regards Specom
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Sabaidee members,
from the moderator. I would like to seek the advise from members: If we cannot unify to speak up as a voice so moderator is happy to close all forums and stay in silence. We cannot work with out destination and no clue. It is very very hard to form a big group but moderator can delete this group in 5 seconds. If our group fail, Mr Phom Laosnet Group will fail too.
So I would like you to make the consideration to support this task and the fighting for democracy will have a leader to talk on behalf of us, a Lao Nork group and Lao people who have no voice in the country. Please choose 5 people to be our leaders.
A leader is chosen by many people and does not specific the knowledge, the title, the ethics but a group accepts him to represent them. A group is recognised by the international organisation and worldwide so that group is the real representative of Lao people who have no voice in the country.
That group is acted as an opponent of Lao PDR. This is an international stage.
Now there are China town in Vientiane next to the new sport stadium and the autonomy Boten and Ton Pheung - Houi Sai. ( Golden triangle - North ) . Hanoi town in Savannakhet, Nongtha Vientiane and the autonomy of Three southern province -Attopeu, Sekong and Saravanh. ( Triangle - South )
We use the Voice of Laotians Overseas to the international worldwide about the neo-colonizing Laos.
Phongsavanh n'est plus là mais je vois que nous continuons allègrement à mal connaitre notre histoire, Tiao Yo* était le fils de Tiao Anou, il était roi du royaume de Champassack depuis 1818 et son armée se battait vaillamment contre les siamois 1826-29 et lui même à la fin de la guerre perdit la vie comme son roi et ses sept femmes envoyées dans le harem de Rama III.